*CORRECTION
…to an excrutiating year of turmoil and *unaccomplishment.
…must have *demonstrated
…those silly *rites

The writer is totally right. I think he also is an example of a student who has the interest of others at heart. I personally know this guy and appreciate his guts. UBSU is completely in ruins and truely some adjustment. Does any one know why i am not surprise with the misconduct of UBSU executives? Because they are shit!!!

It is intolerable for students who are supposedly going to future leaders to behave in such deplorable way. The waves of their misconduct has been the talk of tons of us in the diaspora. I think the university administration has allowed the free-willing of these students to extremes.They have pride themselves with the dreadful and misguided conception that they are untouchable. WRONG! In fact the government should take quick action before these students break the educational foundation of many Cameroonians.

Elongish my brother,your right up is good.You have written from an objective view and as u said everybody or student has the right to express him/herself.I realised you refused to look at it from the political view.I will say it again for the umpteenth time,that the problems faced by UBSU this year stems from the University administration in interfering in the internal affairs of UBSU,off course they should interfere but they do that negatively and in total defiance of the Union’s Constitution.The Union has a President.Who said the Union has no President.This confusion is coming from the office of the vice chancellor in refusing to accept the students’ decision.Had it been it was otherwise,I think what they are facing now would not have been there.

Let me make it known to you that,the Union UBSU is not just 13 man exco elected by the general body,it goes far beyond that,off course you are a councillor,u understand that,it has a system of checks and balances,so my dear the Union has been working.You should made known a student who has a problem and the union could not addressed.The work of the Union goes far beyond all those projects per say,you are very much aware that the union is not funded, they still cry for their place due them.

My dear in every leadership system even in the world advance democracies,there are Godfathers,if you say leaders should be elected in UBSU without a string to godfathers,then know you are trying to live in an obscure world.UBSU cannot be in different.

The Union is strong n will always be.

Good luck to your exams

look this single ladies dancer, I happened to have gone through this union constitution, I realised that all steps they took was legal and ok,if not why do u think the VC is behaving like he is doing.Those guys are right.It is because of people like paul who came to kill this union.

Am a freedom thinker
You can meet in Checkpoint ok

Bara, i do admire your intellectual handling of issues like this. They obviously require debate and it is quite a pleasure to do just that with you.

Your first position is on the supposed uncomfortable role the administration has been playing in student affairs. I do not think that the administration is without blame. Of course it has its own part and i correct my self if i failed to adequately call it to book. But the thrust is also on what the student’s union has not done or has done wrong. You see while we blame the administration for certain things, there are alot of misteps that have been made by the student union this year and no one is talking about them because Paul has been shot in the middle as the villain, thus completely diverting people’s eyes from the obvious mischief of certain important quarters.

We’ve heard of allegations against Paul such as abrogation of student union constitution and changing of letterhead and overall incompetence but no one talks about such things when it comes to cases like the one cited in my article. You see, drinking in beer parlours to the extent of recklessly throwing union documents and purportedly threatening administrators to get money without rightful procedures and even abrogating certain offices of union executives is equally impeachment-worthy. However, any objective person knows that the chairman cannot be easy impeached. Councillors are moving in red tapes and party lines and such being the case, who can really unroot Fred. Nobody. SO WHERE IS THE CHECKS AND BALANCES? That’s why i think there is need for new breath and new ideas and objective people. UBSU lacks that!

True, you mentioned that every Union or modern democracy has godfathers. Agreed. However, when policies are as horrible as we see, conduct terribly bogus, and lies and unthinking loyalties become the order of things, one is left to question whether the godfathers are doing anything meaningful or beneficial to their people.

The Union is busy, in your wordS, crying for the place due it; is that the reason why things are on a stand still? We do not count a few students who have been defended by the union as acting. Particularly since Paul became president, the Union has been dormant and conflict driven. Recently i saw notices from the president of Faculty of Arts telling students not to deal with Paul and upon investigation i discovered no student had told him he had any dealings with Paul. So where is his motive? to call attention to himself and desperately make himself relevant right?
Bara you see, wanting your place and creating an enabling environment that provides you that place are two different things.

Bara, in every modern democracy where every resource is used on one enemy, the true needs of people are sidelined. This is the reality we are now faced with. Every one is trying to paint Paul dark and forgetting what people need. Strangely students are asking for a bit of rest. Is that so difficult to give?

I wait for your inspired reply. God bless!

Minion, unfortunately i can not guess who you are but it is wonderful to debate with you.

First things first, if Paul has come to destroy the Union, he has been shown the door. Hardly does any one but the V.C recognize him and to me ignoring is the first step towards rebuilding this Union. This does not mean he should be given the latitude to act as he wants, it means when he has been cyrtailed like now, focus should drift to important things.

I will like to also know your reaction to the piont that Fred recklessly abandoned Union documents in a beer parlour and purportedly unconstitutionally forced money out of an administrator when it was not his office to do so. I don’t even know how that money was used? Where is the auditing and where is the checks and balance?

Minion somt things can be legal but not right, or convenient. The question is whether the students acted at the right moment and with the right reasons. It was first of all inappropriate to have a strike immediately after lecturer’s strike and to prove to you that those students were convinced about that students will not give them the necessary support, they clouded the real reason with stuff like tiolet problems and arbitrary suspension of students. The immediate cause was the well, unlawful dismissal of Fred as chairman. But since it was not strike worthy, it was canopied.

Then Minion, i donot chaerish such appelations as single ladies dancer.

My dear friend and brother, thanks for your prompt reply.

Firstly you made mention of the chairman drinking recklessly and abandoning documents in beer parlours.Well I cannot verify that claim if it is true or false.Have you bothered to asked him? Are you also aware that everybody is human and must as well forgot those documents if at all he did, though as chairman, they too are young and agile youth.Again have you ever heard of the chairman drinking to stupor? No.Well you see what is happening is that somebody somewhere is trying to play foul.

Secondly my brother, faculty presidents are members of Council and so it is their responsibilities to inform students in their respective faculties with the recent happenings when ever council passed a resolution so the information by faculty of Arts President was in this light ok.All faculty presidents did just that.

Yes my brother, you are right that since Paul took over,the affairs of the Union has been dormant.I will say it again, all these were caused by him.If from the on set,he did want to side lined the Council and the Union Constitution.If he would have respected the place of council where he comes from before becoming President, he would not have found himself in this mess.He is not the first President.The way the Union was structured is such away that both organs must work together.

You see,there is no powerful man in the Union even the so called chairman, if he tries going otherwise I bet you,within the twinkle of an eye,he will be sent away.The Constitution is designed to respect this.Forexample you know of Mboh Tanyi Mboh,the former chairman,last year he was tried by these same people and the chief of administrative bench was made to chair the council but he took a good stand and was pardon.The Union has a way of solving her problems.The problem with paul is that.
1.He refused totally to respect the power of council
2.He refused to respect the constitution which brought him to power.
That is the genesis of his problem and so he payed the price.Look whether the VC accepts or not,it does not matter.Paul can never never again assumed that office, the VC would finally realised himself.

God Bless

MR.JOUNALIST I HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD YOUR PASSION FOR UBSU BUT IT BEATS MY IMAGINATION THAT YOU AS A BONAFIDE COUNCILLOR, A MEMBER OF THE FOUTRH ESTATE IN THE MAKING IS WORKING ON HEAR SAY WHEN COUNCILLORS ARE SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH FACTS AND PROVES.YOU AS A COUNCILLOR SHOULD KNOW THAT COUNCIL STAMP AND SEALS IS YOURS AND YOU SHOULD JEALOUSLY PROTECT THEM NO MATTER WHO MISPLACED THEM AND WHERE HE MISPLACED THEM.

YOU WERE EQUALLY A VOTE DURING THE CONSTITUTIONAL SUSPENSION OF THE PRESIDENT WHICH YOU PROPOSED.IT LOOKS LIKE SHEER BETRAYAL THAT YOU SHOULD DOUBT A NOTICE PUT UP BY THE PRESIDENT OF ARTS WHICH WAS IN LINE WITH THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF IMPEACHMENT OF THE THEN PRESIDENT PAUL SHIPUH.

I COUNT ON YOUR OBJECTIVE THINKING AND PRESENTATION OF IDEAS AND FACTS

GOD BLESS OUR UNION

Remmy, i delight my self with the pressumption that you are graceful enough to give your own point of view whether i support it or not.

You see there is first of all no hearsay what so ever in my claims. It is a matter of fact that Union stationeries where abandoned in a beer parlour and imprints from previous documents are used to communicate information. It is not hearsay that Fred has not been audited. It is however an opinion that this cannot happen because of the very baised nature of Council.

Then it should be clear that Union Stamps, though also mine as you say, have been entrusted to the safe and responsible keeping of certain people. It puzzles me that you think it is not shameful to find such perhaps privileged documents in a beer parlour. Is like seeing documents of a governor in a palm wine joint, abandoned. Even when it is rescued, there is nothing that makes it good or tolerable.

I do not deny to have demanded for the suspension of Paul. I did so with reason. Just as i opposed his impeachment with reason. The point however is not who voted what or proposed what. The point is that a lot of coverage has been given to Paul perhaps even unnnecessarily, forgetting that the Union has other things that should also preoccupy it.

You see the melodrama that is surrounding Paul’s impeachment is going out of proportion, further making him seem relevant and creating an a tense atmosphere.

Again i do not see the betrayal in me opposing unwarranted notices on campus while students have better things that preoccupy them. Students are losing interest in UBSU affairs because of the overheated but obviously irrelevant and ceaseless tussles. 

Tell me quite sincerely, would you be so defensive if it were Paul who had abandoned documents in a beer parlour or abrogated offices of other executives? I guess no. So why the double standards if not that people have unflinching loyalties.

Let your “imagination not be beaten… by my objective thinking and presentation of ideas and facts.”

Godspeed in your exams.

Baramark you are a terrorist. I don’t know why you are always putting your mouth in thing that do not concern you. yOU ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO STRIKE! You are one of those malignant godfathers so just shut up and shave your Bin Laden beared. Al qeada!

That chairman is just like you including that stupid boy who is writing up there whatever his name-Remmy.

You people should read and graduate. Don’t remain and destroy the opportunities of different students. THIEFS! BANDITS!ASSASINS!

Socrates i seriously frown at tone in your reaction to Bara and Remmy. I don’t think intellectual debates should transcend into attacks of personalities with such unfounded claims.
People can dis agree without getting into people’s privacy or insulting others. I demand that you apologise for your horribly immature statements.
I however think that if you have any insult-free opinions to make don’t hesitate.

That said, i think i now should apologise to Bara and Remmy on your behalf and plead with them to regard the remarks as a mute statement.

Bara my big, i do appreciate your reply. But like i said though there is alot of blame to throw around and people to point at, nobody is fixing the situation.
By now you should be aware that i do not speak without facts and if some one was trying to play foul, it is obviously not my source. I do not expect Fred to respond in all cases to draw reasonable conclusions. I saw proofs!
Then Paul might be the genesis of all the problems but what has been the concious efforts to remedy the situation. Impeaching him is one but the drama that ensues is completely unnecessary and needs to pace-down.
I think when i put up my next article or opinion, i would be able to fully expatiate on certain aspects that need redress.

In the meantime greet your girl. She will have a very talented offsprings because the combination is superb. L.O.L

Bara you have to acknowledge that the turmoil in UBSU is just frustrating. How many students can still hold their heads high up and say something positive about the Union. I think it is not just because Paul made some falsestarts, it is because even those amplifying his mistake are totally guilty of covered malpractices. And your chairman is one of such people and Enow Peter too. This yellow party thing is really going too far. Why can’t people just agree that Paul won the elections and is constitutionally president. It’s just terrible how you guys handle or instigate things. I don’t even care who the president is , i just want calm. And you people should not kill elongish. He is a real darling.

When i first read this article, i did not react because i thought is was perfect. But when i read what some people are writing, i wonder if they think they can really hide the truth for ever. UBSU is pure trash. The leaders must be flushed out.

elongish fire this people. they are just thiefs! i don’t care what they even say.

Wao that’s great,to you all who have contributed to this wonderful debate,congratulations.You see am a respecter of freedom of expression and it is only through this medium, development can come ,when people pour out their mind positively. Through this debate the Union could know her left and right and know how to augment things in future,in advance democracy today they succeed because they express themselves.

You see my brothers and sisters, I think Elongish write up is in this light, but when I read comments from people like socrates I begin to wonder, I will not want to get into useless debates with you socrates but as you call me an assassin,if you could just reveal your true self then you will know how assassins carry out their functions.

Elongish my friend,I will like you to disclosed the person who informed you that Fred forgot his documents in a beer parlour,invite the person to this forum,lets all talk.What about that? For your information the informant is already known.For those who are not aware, there is a secret intelligence Unit in UBSU and in all faculties, they get information at any point in time, who says what and to who?As for you socrates, the day I will approached you, you will be shocked.

Good luck to your exams

Elongish sorry for that appellation i used against you ok.

Please I have said it again all those who are castigating UBSU dont know what they are doing? Who is even this paul of a guy,what has happened has happened,let us now see how we could contribute in the ever building of our union but I maintained that what council did impeaching paul was right,it was constitutional

Why are you guys only seeing at the council.Is it not thesame paul executives who sat and gave him vote of no confidence,did fred manipulate 10 out of 13 executives to impeach paul whom his own executives accused him of gross mismanagement of funds.Please we should all grow up and understand that, this paul of a guy was a bad president.

As for you socrates who insult Bara, I di just pity you.

please let us discuss useful things

I didnt want to comment but I think I should take some time and say something.
We are all young guys, and to tell you guys the truth, UBSU is not about you. its about students in the university of buea. The day you leave UB, you stop being part of UBSU.
Its not a political party either, and its not your fathers kingdom.

Bara Mark, to be frank with you. everybody is taking you as UBSU’s lawyer. But why does UBSU need a lawyer in the first place ?
Have you guys ever wondered about this. THERE IS NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE. If everybody points a finger, please take some time and look at what they are pointing at because your shirt could be stained. Dont continue telling them that look young man I know how my shirt looks like. OVER SABI IS A KILLER.
UBSU needs to listen and not claim over sabi. Thats what I think. and UBSU is not perfect but whenever you guys talk here, you always make us feel its perfect and thats how you know who is a bad or good. those who claim to be perfect are hiding something.
regards

Mambe Churchill, your tone sounds hard.To be also frank with you,the day I graduated from UB, I became ex -officio member of the Union, and so I must add my growing voice to whatever is happening in UBSU.Maybe it is because out of the ex-officio members of UBSU,I am the only one aware of this website reason you could not get opinions from others who are out of UBSU but off course they too are very vexed.I beg your pardon,if you make me to understand that this Website is exclusively for UB students then I think I should stop contributing my views here since am no longer in UB but If this site is for the public at large though with a UB name, then I must contribute when I read things about the union I love so much,the union I fought with my life thus I must every where I am regardless of the rubbish some guys write her about my person defend this union and who so ever is damn angry with me,such individual should personally face me.
So my brother is this website for UB students exclusively or not? I demand an answer
Good luck

Baramark and his thugs cannot do anything to anybody. They just frighten people and bully them without reason. Baramark i am totally aware of how you like public disorder and scandalous situations. I will not give you the luxury of starting one with me. Whether you want it or not, every person knows that you are motherfucking shit.You are a terrorist, and a descendant of Bin Lden. One person has also entered. That minion, i know you and i will get to you when time is due. Monkey!!!
Fuck UBSU and Fuck you all. Devils. I will not withdraw any statements. Embezzlers! Tyrants! Foolish poeple. Who is Baramark that ppl cannot tell off. Stupid idiot.
Shit men!

laughssssssssssssssss,Socrates, have you ever seen my thugs?Do u believe I have thugs? Are you really sure I can owned thugs? off course Bara Mark is no body,he is just a normal human being like you off course you should not be afraid of him ok?I just need you to reveal yourself then this bin laden of a guy will show you what it means to be a socrates. Dont be afraid ok, we will get into useful debates. I smell you are talking out of political fustration.DAMN

I have been in the states for a year and i am glad to find this forum where students can interact and air their minds. I should say that each party has a point to put across but that should be done with the utmost respect.

I have had a keen interest in the affairs of UBSU (though niether councillor nor exco) while i was in the undergraduate level and i should say that my last two years were tumulteous and i had real diffculties here. You might be wondering the relation between the ongoing debate and what i am saying.

Well this the point. For those two years, i experienced two strike actions which were quite reasonable but went out of hand. In the course, i lost my cousin. I had been hoping that UBSU could really do something to bring his killers to book. Unfortunately their fight was all thunder and no lightening.the cases ended like that. And numerous cases of situations like this have emerged. I remember Bara was at the forefront of things.

Then i remember when i came to the states and we were having a come together of Cameroonians. That was a few months back. At thesame time there was a strike in UB over students welfare and i was informed the causes where unlawful suspension of students, water problems, delay in issuing transcripts amongst others. Iwas opposing a point during the come together when somebody said well he is from that “striking university. Perhaps he is another detractor.”
When i finished making my point, there was a standing ovation. This time nothing was said about my school roots.the person just said “it is strange that you are coming from UB. You were not a student leader, were you?” I was completely down cast.

The point here is to allow you guys see the perception people in other places, or from what read and know, think about student leaders in UB. DETRACTORS!

May be they are ignorant, may be we do not understand the struggles but the truth is can any one ever fight for something good and use, according to him, the right strtegies and get only negative reviews? I seriously doubt.

I am not blind to what the administration is during but when i see similar problems here (circumstances however different), handled in mature, well informed ways and student educated through right channels, i doubt whether this can be possible back home.

You see a university is a centre of philosophy and people can support a course or reject it. Reason why i think that if students are decrying the leadership and even those outside a crying foul, leaders need to stop and examine their actions.

While i was in UB, i use to here stories about administrative intransigence. I see it here, and yet the students know just how to get the collective support of most students. In UB it seems the minority own the place because they’ve mastered the use of force.

A friend told me he was slapped during the latest strike for airing his opposition. Is that what should obtain amongst intellectuals? I don’t get that here and people tell me the leaders are working hard? Please get real!

I am enjoy ing this highly spirited debate. I think we are getting somewhere. Well there are some opinions that need to be ignored. They are a derailment from focus.

Thank you Churchill for your opinion, i can’t find anything which is not in place. It is a pity you had to loss your cousin, but i am sure he is in a resting place.

Brutally and the use of force is very evident in UBSU business and sometimes it is completely out of control. The problem is that there is strong attachment to mob action by UBSU leaders and i am just hoping it can pipe down.

BARA, IF YOU KNOW THE INFORMANT, JUST INVITE HIM TO THIS DEBATE. IT WILL BE WONDERFUL

I am enjoy ing this highly spirited debate. I think we are getting somewhere. Well there are some opinions that need to be ignored. They are a derailment from focus.

Thank you Churchill for your opinion, i can’t find anything which is not in place. It is a pity you had to loss your cousin, but i am sure he is in a resting place.

Brutally and the use of force is very evident in UBSU business and sometimes it is completely out of control. The problem is that there is strong attachment to mob action by UBSU leaders and i am just hoping it can pipe down.

BARA, IF YOU KNOW THE INFORMANT, JUST INVITE HIM TO THIS DEBATE. IT WILL BE WONDERFUL

My brother churchill you have said a number of good things but first you should understand the situation where the students’ union found herself,over there and here are two different philosophies,u will bear with me that in Nigeria and other neigbouring countries,students’ unionism is more vibrant and matured,it is not the same here in Cameroon.Why? This is because of the political philosophy of the country.You will bear with me that in USA you cannot kill a student and go free,even in Nigeria it is the same, you kill a student,either the law takes it course or the Nigerian students kill you in return,in Cameroon it is completely different, students that were killed during the last strike action nothing has been done.

A committee has been put in place since to bring the criminals to book but nothing is done.Now if these leaders in UB dare to bring something like that, those same UB student will be saying these guys are all mad.How does the union go about to bring them to book? Is it the corrupt justice system in Cameroon or what? Do they even have the finances to carry out such issues.

Those who died are dear to us reason why when I was in UB,we fought to erect a monument on campus on their behalf after intimidation and threats from the university and Cameroon regime not to dare do such.

I understand your plight,it is only when you get yourself into the shoes of leadership in UB then you will understand how bad our system is.

Had it been the Union would have been as those elsewhere with financial autonomy i think a lot would have been done but our system lacks the political will to make things right.

A lot of problems have been addressed by those leaders in UB using administrative methods but I assure you know in diplomacy force should be used as the last option if dialogue fails.But unfortunately in Africa and Cameroon imparticular,UB as a case study,our administrators has made us to understand that,you should be always be thinking of force

Good luck

hahahahahahahaha, elongish elongish.I will not disclosed the informant now ok, that would be breaking the rules of the intelligence secret service.You whom the informant gave information.please do us well to invite him.hahahahahaha lol

Bara Mark,
I am not against you and you know very well that me and you are close friends. so dont take it out on me because of the comment.
this site is open to students and the public.

But Bara Mark, I was saying UBSU people should stop defending themselves everytime someone says something bad about them. They should accept and learn from their mistakes. You should stop making every body feel like a fool, by using knowledge and your grammar to make people see why something UBSU did bad is actually Good. Bad is Bad, and the more you guys continue swaying things like this the more you killing the name of the university of Buea like my brother Churchill said :D

Thank you Mambe Churchil for answering my question, now I know the site is meant for both the students and public. But could you please look at the following phrase you made during your first comment “We are all young guys, and to tell you guys the truth, UBSU is not about you. its about students in the university of buea. The day you leave UB, you stop being part of UBSU.
Its not a political party either, and its not your fathers kingdom”. That was your statement.What does that means? It means I am out of UBSU and so I should not comment on matters concerning UBSU.That statement was directed at me.

But again I maintained that as an ex-officio member of UBSU, I have all the legal and constitutional right to give my opinion on UBSU issues and to defend it where ever I found my self.Whether my opinion suits yours or not,it does not matter.Is it not freedom of expression?Come on

Thank you

Good morning Bara,
that statement was not directed only to you. it was directed to all members of UBSU and all Ex-Officials . I addressed all the members of the present UBSU as YOU, and I think YOU is plural and singular depending on how you use it ???
So Bara dont take it on yourself, I was simple trying to let the UBSU members realize that they are also students and out of UB, there is a real life to live. So they should be good leaders so that out of UB they can get good referrals hence good jobs.

Good evening my brother Mambe , sure it was not directed to me alone but off course am part of them, the more reason I wanted you to understand that all leaders who left UBSU has the legal right to give what ever opinion they deem necessary as ex-officio members of UBSU.Had it been most were informed of this site, u would have been getting their responses but am a guy who loves the internet and writing alot.

So your claim that, those who have left UB should leave UBSU alone is unfounded.You see even in advance democracies like USA, past President are always invited or intervied to give their opinion about the present regime.Whether it is positive or negative,it is their opinion.Because they are no longer in the presidency, does not warrant them to comment.They can choose to either defend or castigate.UBSU cannot be indifferent neither do I.

Good luck

Hello guys,
I have followed your arguments with some with a kind of curiosity, anticipating at every turn to read an explanation on one thing or the other, a defence, or an accusation. My joy is that you are all talking from the points of views of insiders by which I mean people who are interested in the growth not only of the students’ union but, but people who are interested in the growth of the University of Buea and by extension the educational system of Cameroon. 
I must however dart spittle at our generous use of name-calling. Perhaps veritable scholars that I judge us all to be are those who carefully choose their words when communicating. When communicating using the internet, one must be very wary about the words s/he uses, given that countless numbers of people use the internet. This is not a face-to-face confrontation where an apology may be effective enough to abrogate the deleterious effects of our insults. Some people who read the insults may never have the chance of reading the apologies.
Secondly, I will like to give this advice without any malice. I know we might have been writing with a lot of tension. I say so because some of our comments are littered with grammatical irregularities. Perhaps a better way to do it is check the spellchecker of your machine. Give yourself a minute or two after writing before proofreading.  Again, it may be a good idea to include vital details in our vibes
Finally, I will like to say that your well-grounded arguments have given me, a none-specialist, some basics about political science and democracy.

Akongoh Rudolf N.